might set them off like a religious object, or a foreign passport, try to get rid of it. >> try to get rid of it. and, remember, if they are going to come in, the police are going to come in and make what we call a dynamic entry, stay low. hit the ground. and if you are thinking of escaping, think twice. >> you don't think you should try to escape? >> absolutely not. >> really? why? >> because, one, it creates a problem. when i say don't escape, i'm talking about if you are in the same room with the hostage taker. as in the tragedy in connecticut, the father was in the basement and no one was there and he was able to get out. >> in his getting out is what first alerted them that there was a problem because the next door neighbor called the police because he heard the husband injured, calling for help. >> correct. correct. but it's -- hostage situations, you know, the name of the game is they change so fast. they can be going great and all of a sudden, in a nanosecond, everything changes. it can change for the better or change for worse. >> it's such a fascinating career. i would love to hear more about your career, maybe another time.